Sibling Research Part 2: Oh Brother Where Are Thou….

 

(I love that movie)

So I mentioned my search for my ancestor David Witherell’s siblings. I am currently looking at his older brother, John Witherell Jr. And well… I am coming up with nil.

I worked on a plan, like I mentioned. I really only had the one document (another brother (Darius)’s family Bible) to go on. So here’s a shortened version of what my plan looked like and some of my research:

What is Known:

  • John Witherell Jr – born 5 October 1811
  • Had a son named Ray who was born August 1838

The Source:

  • The source is a picture from the DAR files for the siblings maternal grandfather, David Bullard, who supposedly was in the American Revolution. The person who submitted the application is also a descendant of David’s. There is no mention of how she got the picture of the Bible.
  • The Bible is from Darius Witherell – he is a sibling of David’s and lived in Wayne County, NY
  • The Bible is copyrighted from 1848 – so it was not written at the time of the birth; however, it is likely that Darius filled in the information but it could have also been his wife
  • The majority of the writing is all the same except for one line mentioning an infant of Darius and his wife’s who born and died quickly, suggesting that all the information may have been written at once. The photocopy is in black and white so if there was different colored ink, it doesn’t show in my copy.

Ray Witherell:

  • It may be possible to find the father through the son – so I looked at Ray
  • A family tree on Ancestry shows that Ray was born in Michigan around 1838
  • John doesn’t show up in any census after that – did he perhaps die in Michigan? Would there be a will/estate record involved?
  • Following Ray in census records shows him in the following locations:
    • 1850: with Darius Witherell, his uncle, in Butler, Wayne County, New York (1)1850 U.S. Census, Wayne County, New York, population schedule, Butler, p. 309 (stamped), dwelling 168, family 168, Ray Witherell; digital image, Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 17 November 2015); citing National Archives microfilm publication M432, roll 613. 
    • 1860: with McAllister family in Washtenaw County, Michigan (2)1860 U.S. Census, Washtenaw County, Michigan, population schedule, York, p. 153 (penned), dwelling, 1189, family 1171, Ray Witherell; digital image, Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 17 November 2015); citing National Archives microfilm publication M653, roll 563.  – could these be his mother’s family?
    • 1875: with his own family now in Cayuga County, New York (3)1875 New York state census, Cayuga County, population schedule, Conquest, p. 5, dwelling 44, family 47, Ray Witherell; digital image, Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 17 November 2015); citing Census of the state of New York, for 1875 microfilm, New York State Archives, Albany. 
    • 1880: with own family in Butler, Wayne County, New York (next door to his uncle Darius) (4)1880 U.S Census, Wayne County, New York, population schedule, Butler, enumeration district (ED) 173, p. 23, dwelling 261, family 277, Ray Witherell; digital image Ancestry.com  (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 17 November 2015), citing National Archives microfilm publication T9, roll 943. 
    • 1892: in Butler, Wayne County, New York (5)1892 New York state census, Wayne County, population schedule, Butler, ED 02, p. 2, 2nd column, line 3, Ray Witherell; digital image, Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 17 November 2015); citing New York State Education Department, Office of Cultural education; 1892 New York State Census, New York State Archives, Albany.
    • 1900: in Auburn, Cayuga County, New York with family (6)1900 U.S Census, Cayuga County, New York, population schedule, Auburn Ward 7, enumeration district (ED) 14, p. 1B, dwelling 16, family 28, Ray Witherell in John Witherell household; digital image Ancestry.com  (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 17 November 2015), citing National Archives microfilm publication T623, roll 1012.
    • 1905: In Auburn, Cayuga County, New York (7)1905 New York state census, Cayuga County, population schedule, Auburn Ward 7, ED 01, p. 4, line 1, Ray Witherell; digital image, Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 17 November 2015); citing New York State Archives, State Population Census Schedules, 1905, New York State Archives, Albany.

I sadly can’t find out when Ray died but there is no record that I could find for him after 1905 so it’s likely he died between 1905 and 1910 and probably in Cayuga County, New York.

Records

  • Possibly do a search in Cayuga County for a date of when Ray Witherell died – that date could lead to an obituary (hopefully it would mention his dad!) and maybe even a birth county in Michigan
  • Check Darius’s estate/will records – he may mention Ray or John
  • See if there is a family connection with the McAllister’s and Ray – could be his mother’s family – also confirm that that is the correct Ray Witherell
  • Find a marriage record for Ray and his wife Mary who married sometime in the 1860’s
  • Ray is on a draft registration for the Civil War in New York, but I couldn’t find out if he served or not – that needs more work
  • See if Darius’s family Bible still exists – the DAR record only has one section of the Bible, family births, mentioned. It would be great to find if the Bible still exists or if copies of other pages exist – this may go into Darius’s research plan

Because I don’t know where John died (New York? Michigan?) or who his wife was or where they could have been married (New York? Michigan?), looking for my usual records (marriage, cemetery, estates, land records) has proven to be a bit more difficult. I need to know more and I’m hoping Ray’s records can reveal some clues for me.

So I’m at a frustrating point – one where being far away from the area I’m searching in makes my search more difficult. I will next contact any and all of the genealogical societies in the area to see what records still exist or perhaps they know the names I’m looking for.

 

If you have any suggestions, please leave me a note! I’m stepping away from John Jr’s for a bit to let my mind breathe for a moment and then I plan on returning in a day or two and hope to see points I missed, as is part of the process.

 

To be continued…

 

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Sources   [ + ]

1. 1850 U.S. Census, Wayne County, New York, population schedule, Butler, p. 309 (stamped), dwelling 168, family 168, Ray Witherell; digital image, Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 17 November 2015); citing National Archives microfilm publication M432, roll 613. 
2. 1860 U.S. Census, Washtenaw County, Michigan, population schedule, York, p. 153 (penned), dwelling, 1189, family 1171, Ray Witherell; digital image, Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 17 November 2015); citing National Archives microfilm publication M653, roll 563. 
3. 1875 New York state census, Cayuga County, population schedule, Conquest, p. 5, dwelling 44, family 47, Ray Witherell; digital image, Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 17 November 2015); citing Census of the state of New York, for 1875 microfilm, New York State Archives, Albany. 
4. 1880 U.S Census, Wayne County, New York, population schedule, Butler, enumeration district (ED) 173, p. 23, dwelling 261, family 277, Ray Witherell; digital image Ancestry.com  (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 17 November 2015), citing National Archives microfilm publication T9, roll 943. 
5. 1892 New York state census, Wayne County, population schedule, Butler, ED 02, p. 2, 2nd column, line 3, Ray Witherell; digital image, Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 17 November 2015); citing New York State Education Department, Office of Cultural education; 1892 New York State Census, New York State Archives, Albany.
6. 1900 U.S Census, Cayuga County, New York, population schedule, Auburn Ward 7, enumeration district (ED) 14, p. 1B, dwelling 16, family 28, Ray Witherell in John Witherell household; digital image Ancestry.com  (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 17 November 2015), citing National Archives microfilm publication T623, roll 1012.
7. 1905 New York state census, Cayuga County, population schedule, Auburn Ward 7, ED 01, p. 4, line 1, Ray Witherell; digital image, Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 17 November 2015); citing New York State Archives, State Population Census Schedules, 1905, New York State Archives, Albany.

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2 Comments

  1. tom wetherell

    would these help on Raymond????

    he appears on the census as a member of the household, although he is born in Michigan, rather than New York. He is a member of the same church…
    Another possibility is that he is a nephew of Darius, by David Wetherell his brother who did live in Michigan, or he was born while darius was visiting his brother in Michigan…
    further research by Dee of NY says that he is the son of John Jr. Witherell, another son of John & Judith Bullard Witherell

    marriage in washtenaw county michigan??? 1, Cole, Charlotte M Cole, Witherell, Ray – Witherel, Washtenaw, 3 Nov 1860,

    Citizens Advisor Classified ads
    WETHEREL At the family home, 22 1/2 North Division Street, Auburn. N .Y., Monday, July 19, 1915, Ray Wetherel, in the 75th year of his age.
    Funeral services at the Church of Christ, North Division St., Auburn, N. Y., Wednesday afternoon, July 21, at 1 O’clock.
    Burial at Spring Lake Cemetery.

    1850 CENSUS of the TOWN OF BUTLER Part 2,
    WETHERELL Darias 35 Male Farmer Val Real Est $2,000 b. NY
    Jenette 37 Female b. NY
    Ray 12 Male b. MI
    James IRISH 21 Male b. NY

    1865 New York Cenus Wayne County next door to Darius and Jennette
    Wetherel, Ray, 25, male farmer, b. MI
    Mary 25, female, b. Wayne

    US Census, 1870, Butler, Wayne County, New York living next door to Isaac Brown age 59, wife laura, age 53, and 3 children
    Wetherel, Ray, w, m, 39 farm labor MI Alfred 21, Susan, 17, & Adeline 14, all b. NY
    Wetherel, Mary w, f, 29 keeping house NY
    Wetherel, Nellie w, f, 4 NY
    Wetherel, Laura w, f, 2 NY

    US Census 1880
    Ray Wetherel self M Male 41 MI Farm Labor NY —
    Mary Wetherel wife M Female 37 NY Keeping House NY NY
    Nattie Wetherel dau S Female W 14 NY NY NY
    Laura Wetherel dau S Female W 12 NY at school NY NY
    John D. Wetherel son S Male 5 NY NY NY
    Walter Wetherel son S Male 3 NY NY NY
    Dennis Wetherel son S Male 4mo NY NY NY
    Source Information , Census Place Bulter, Wayne, New York; Family History Library Film; 1254943; NA Film Number T9-0943: Page Number 72c

    US Census, 1900, Auburn, Cayuga, New York
    Wetherel, John D. head w, f, Aug 1874, 26, m 8 NY MI NY teamster
    Wetherel, Ada L. wife w, f, Aug 1874 26, m 8 1/1 NY NY NY
    Wetherel, Mabel dau w, f, Apr 1895 4 s 0 NY NY NY
    Wetherel, Ray father w,m ?? ?? MI NY NY cordage works
    Wetherel, Mary mother w, f NY NY NY
    Wetherel, Dennis brother w, m, NY MI NY
    + two boarders

    HI, I am Dee,
    I am looking for a Witherell in Michigan. Was Capt. John Witherell married? I have a Raymond Witherell born 1838 in Michigan. Removed to Butler,Wayne co. New York. Raymond went to live with his Uncle Darius Witherell. I can not find any leads in Michigan for Raymond.

    I am reseaching the Witherell Family. My Witherell/Wetherell
    lived in Auburn, county name spelled Cayuga county,
    My Witherell/Wetherel line:
    John Witheral and Judith Bullard
    David Witherell son.
    Darius Witherell was my GGG GrandUncle. He was Guardian to Raymond Wetherel/Wetheral who was born in Michigan and lived in Auburn 1910 to 1915 he died.

    French, the French Cemetery, Victory, New York
    WETHEREL, Mary Jane, dau. of Darius & Janet d. Aug. 12, 1847, ae. 2-3-15.
    WETHEREL, Flora, dau. of Ray & Mary d. May 19, 1873, ae. 2-2-14.

    possible fit, since Ray is listed as a son in 1850 census
    Name: Raymond WETHERAL
    Given Name: Raymond
    Surname: Wetheral
    Birth: 1840
    Death: 19 JUL 1915
    Marriage 1 Mary BROWN b: 1841
    Children
    Nettie WETHERAL b: 30 OCT 1865 in Butler,Wayne County,N.Y.
    Laura WETHERAL b: 15 OCT 1867 in Butler,,N.Y.
    Dennis WETHERAL
    John WETHERAL
    Walter WETHERAL

    1900 Auburn City Directory
    Witherell Dennis, delivery clerk, 114 wall, bds 101 do
    Witherell John D, teamster, h 101 Wall
    Witherell Orville E, trainman, L V R R, h over 132 Wall
    Witherell Ray, bds 101 Wall

    • Nichelle Barra

      I did say above that Ray was the nephew of Darius. This I got from the information found in Darius’s family Bible (available from DAR’s records) where it states that Ray is the son of John Jr. The censuses you post are the same ones I posted above as well.

      You mention that he is a member of the same church – same as whom? What church? The one listed in the classified ad, Church of Christ? Speaking of that ad, where did you find that?

      I will look at that death information as well! It would be great if I could find a death certificate or church information. Thank you for that!

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